net $5 trillion in additional revenue and pay down the debt obama ran up and pay down in a decade from stronger growth. you don't get stronger growth by raising taxes, but less growth. raising taxes doesn't give you the revenue but growth gives you the revenue. notin favor of real growth imaginary revenue. >> the flip side of the tom cole argument, if you don't agree to a small tax hike now, tax hike, there will be a much bigger tax hike to take place which would be everyone's taxes would go up when the bush tax cuts expire and then democrats would get credit, the president will get credit for the largest middle-class tax cut in history on january 2. how does that politically benefit your team? >> how you work this out is how boehner and mitch mcconnell will competently do. boehner is the guy who has taken the pledge and kept it. he is the leader who kept every republican off the stimulus package. there were 30 or 40 republican appropriators who might have wanted to do shoplifting and part of that stimulus package and boehner was able to persuade them, don't touch it. it was a democrat